percussive event duration

[hackbarth]

Hi Daniele,

As I mentioned to you last week, I'm working on a bachroll output for Audioguide at the moment. Everything _seems_ to be working pretty well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSf3GJEGzcU)!

However I have one question about duration as it relates to roll and score. My initial thought was that certain sounds should have 0 duration as they are percussive actions (e.g. pizzicato). But when I give a bach.roll note a 0 duration, it seems to get lost in the quantization process. Is there a way to specify a note in roll whose duration is essentially null such that, when quantized, the duration is unimportant?

Thanks!
ben

[danieleghisi]

Hi Ben, this is fantastic.

Thanks for doing this, I think a lot of people may benefit from it. (If you're up for it I can put perhaps a word in the "Project" section of the website, which is more visible than this forum. I'll write you privately) And I've just skimmed through the video, I'll watch it in full tonight

As for your question, I understand the point, unfortunately, a "zero duration" is a real zero duration, and currently there's no way to specify a duration that "just doesn't matter" during quantization. This is a good point, and I think I should come up with a cleaner solution in the future. For the time being, the best way of doing that, however a bit elaborate, is the one I'm posting in the patch below, hope it helps. Basically, you give some duration, you name some chords or notes as "impulsive", and then in the quantized score, you'll retrieve the "impulsive" sounds, and you remove any tie they may have. THat's not exacly what you wanted, and there's a couple of intricacies explained in the patch, but it's at least a way to avoid pizzicati with ties...

BTW, You can also have a look at @thinannotations, which in your case you may perhaps want to set to "Remove with brackets", that would perhaps make the stream of pizz. pizz. pizz... more readable?

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[hackbarth]

Thanks for doing this, I think a lot of people may benefit from it. (If you're up for it I can put perhaps a word in the "Project" section of the website, which is more visible than this forum. I'll write you privately) And I've just skimmed through the video, I'll watch it in full tonight

Sure, happy to.

As for your question, I understand the point, unfortunately, a "zero duration" is a real zero duration, and currently there's no way to specify a duration that "just doesn't matter" during quantization. This is a good point, and I think I should come up with a cleaner solution in the future. For the time being, the best way of doing that, however a bit elaborate, is the one I'm posting in the patch below, hope it helps. Basically, you give some duration, you name some chords or notes as "impulsive", and then in the quantized score, you'll retrieve the "impulsive" sounds, and you remove any tie they may have. THat's not exacly what you wanted, and there's a couple of intricacies explained in the patch, but it's at least a way to avoid pizzicati with ties...

Got it. I'd like to keep things simple on the audioguide side of things, so perhaps it is best if I tag "articulate" notes and then the user can deal with it themselves in Max.

BTW, You can also have a look at @thinannotations, which in your case you may perhaps want to set to "Remove with brackets", that would perhaps make the stream of pizz. pizz. pizz... more readable?

Ah, this would be useful. Is there a way for me to specify thinannotations=3 as part of a gathered syntax?

[danieleghisi]

Hi Ben, unfortunately no, because it is an attribute of the Max object but it is not included in the header...
Congratulations on the new release! Lots of very cool stuff.

[hackbarth]

Thanks Daniele!