Struggling with copying voices

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Tj Shredder
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Struggling with copying voices

Post by Tj Shredder » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:39 pm

I haven't found a tutorial or part of the help center which explains how to copy a single voice or part into a different one (with some calculated modifications of course). I think I need some help there.

I figured how to isolate the first voice of a score, and could copy it into a different score. But there are some problems with that as well.
I am sure I am doing that in an inefficient way...
I could not find out why it still creates three voices in the copy...

My questions: how to dump a single voice, or just a selection?
And how can I write this into a different voice with its modifications?

On the first event I have lyrics and dynamics set in their slots, but they are printed on top of each other. Is there a way to control the vertical placement?

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</code></pre>

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Re: Struggling with copying voices

Post by danieleghisi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:13 pm

Hi, you have two ways.
The first one is to use #gathered+syntax (Also see [bach.combinevoices]):

<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

The second one is to use copy-paste: double click on the clef to select all notes in a voice (or send a "sel note if voice = <N>" message), then copy (via interface or message), then click to the target voice and paste.

An example:
<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>

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Re: Struggling with copying voices

Post by Tj Shredder » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:51 pm

Thanks a lot, this is very helpful.

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Re: Struggling with copying voices

Post by Tj Shredder » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:53 pm

Still having difficulties to deal with selections. In the Through The Looking Glass tutorials there is a way to manipulate the pitches with a cent command, but that's all, durations and onsets don't work that way. I need to select some notes in bach.roll, and then after mangling write them back. There is the dump selection command, which pulls out the selection to the Playout. How could I possibly place just that mangled part back into the score replacing the selection?

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Re: Struggling with copying voices

Post by danieleghisi » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:02 am

Hi,

Look up #modify+expression and you'll find a general way to modify the properties of any of the selected items. This works for all items.
I suggest you read all the section "Operate on selection" of the help center.

In general, you can select the items you want to change, perform the change, and that's it – this is the "in-place" modification system.

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